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solar panels
Submitted: Monday, Jan 28, 2008 at 18:53
Member - sayo(NSW)
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This article is aimed towards the motorhome/caravan traveller, but is equally relevant to anyone trying to make use of solar energy to power devices whilst on-the-road.
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to use 85amps a day with a 120amp agm battery and a 123watt folding solar panel on 6 peak sun hrs how would we go ,also have 20ei gennie as backup
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AnswerID: 284198 Submitted: Monday, Jan 28, 2008 at 19:41
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replied: You will be about 30 amps short per day. This would be around 2 hours with the generator and a good smart charger. I would also recommend a 2nd battery if you are using 85 amps per day.
I have not seen a 123W folding panel.
Have you got details.
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FollowupID: 548952 Submitted: Monday, Jan 28, 2008 at 19:58
Mainey (wa) posted:
Derek,
would have to be the 123W Sharp panel, either really savagely bent in the middle, or two of them used as a suitcase system :-)
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FollowupID: 548956 Submitted: Monday, Jan 28, 2008 at 20:09
Member - sayo(NSW) posted:
hey mainey
you need to change youre statement at the end of your post,sorry we we might be wrong but that is why we ask questions on here or am I wrong again
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FollowupID: 548960 Submitted: Monday, Jan 28, 2008 at 20:15
Mainey (wa) posted:
Sayo
To answer questions we NEED accurate information to be supplied.
Using 85 Amps a day (24 hours) from a 120 Amp agm battery
Powered by a 123 Watt (7.1 Amp) solar panel (6 hours)
What "statement" do you refere to ???
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FollowupID: 549036 Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 08:03
Member - sayo(NSW) posted:
hi derek
thanks again the 120 watt folding panel is made by suntech
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FollowupID: 549040 Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 08:26
Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators posted:
Yes I know the one. I thought they were supplied without a regulator, charge cable and padded bag.
It is basically 2 hinged panels.
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FollowupID: 549041 Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 08:30
Mainey (wa) posted:
sayo
we NEED accurate information to be able to give correct advice
You DID post ""a *123* watt folding solar panel"" NOT 120 Watt panel.
The 3 key is a long way from the 0 key, hence I posted only Sharp make a 123 Watt panel.
hence the confusion by both Derek and myself
My opinion of Suntech quality is known, grr
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AnswerID: 284205 Submitted: Monday, Jan 28, 2008 at 19:59
mowing
replied: Sayo, I am no expert but this is how I see it.
Your solar panels will give you around 50 amps of power provided you have them in the sun for the whole time (ie facing the sun track) . You get 80% approx out of the battery ie 96 amps so on day one you start with 96amps + 50 amps - 85 amps = 61 amps remaining. Day two- 61 amps + 50 amps - 85 amps = 26 amps. End of Day two/ start of Day 3 hook up a quality charger ie smart charger and the gennie as you are about flat. Don't forget that the solar panels are charging in sunlight hours where your drain may be at night. In short you are behind by 35 amps a day.
As I say I am no expert just my humble view.
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FollowupID: 548954 Submitted: Monday, Jan 28, 2008 at 20:02
mowing posted:
Sayo, Forget what I said about not being an expert..... after reading Dereks reply I was on the money!
Any other techincal questions you want answered? LOL
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AnswerID: 284255 Submitted: Monday, Jan 28, 2008 at 23:13
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replied: "solar panels to use 85amps a day with a 120amp agm battery "
this is like saying you will use 85litres-per-hour per day from a 120litres-per-hour tank.
Amps is a measure of instantaneous power flow.
If you want to avoid mistakes, it would help to use the correct units.
I assume what you mean is 85 amphours per day from a 120 amphour agm battery.
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AnswerID: 284273 Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 07:23
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replied: Sayo,
As others have said, your question isn't as clear as it might be! As I understand it, you have a load of 85 amphours (Ah) per day, 120 Ah battery and 123watt (W) solar panels.
My comments - 85 Ah seems very high. My rig uses about 35Ah and that's mainly the
fridge
. Are you perhaps assuming that the
fridge
will pull current continuously?
Your battery - although it may be rated at 120Ah it will have a very short life if you routinely use more than about 2/3 of that. In any case, if you try to extract the last few Ah out of it, the available voltage will be too low to run a
fridge
. In a real world situation you will probably not get more than 100 Ah from your 120Ah battery.
The solar panels - These are rated at their maximum power level, which occurs at about 17 - 20 volts. For battery charging we can't use such high voltages - I could start an argument here, but very few batteries should be charged using more than about 14.4V. The maximum current is still available from the solar panel, but the battery will load the panel so the voltage (and hence the power) is reduced. When the battery is fully charged and it's loading on the panel diminishes, the panel voltage rises and your controller operates to limit/stop the charging current. Because you can only use about 14V (average), not the 17-20V where maximum power occurs, you won't get the 123W from the panel, maybe 100 under optimum conditions. The panel should deliver about 7 amps tops, for perhaps 6 hours per day if you keep it aimed roughly at the sun.
That's 42 Ah you can harvest on good days, about half your 85 Ah load. With this input, a fully charged battery should hold things together for 2 days.
Options - reduce the load, fit an extra battery to extend your capacity, extra panel might provide 100% of power, run a generator with a good (3 stage) big charger every couple of days.
Suggest check your load and find ways of economising. (If you can halve your load you can be 100% solar while the sun shines.)
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AnswerID: 284285 Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:08
Member - sayo(NSW)
replied: hi guys
thanks for input bit the bullet after much deliberation and bought 80 watt sharp panel for van roof and another battery, with a folding solar panel on order,whats money if not for spending
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FollowupID: 549047 Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:13
Mainey (wa) posted:
sayo,
Good move, you won't regret it
so how will you 'regulate' the two systems now ?
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AnswerID: 284287 Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:22
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replied: ah yes another question
have heard of a lot of different discussions on brands still undecided
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FollowupID: 549050 Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:33
Mainey (wa) posted:
Sayo
both systems can be run through this reg if *correctly* wired :-)
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