Member - extfilm (NSW) replied:

Andrew,
I found out the other week, any of my diggas over 5 tonne will be entitled to an 18c per litre rebate....... Considering one of the diggas is going through 150 litres per day that will be a saving of over $150 per week......

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Footloose replied:

What proportion of the diesel stocks are consumed by private motorists?

And out of those, how many do you think wish to be organized into some sort of pressure group?


Sorry mate but I can't help thinking that you're whistling in the wind:((

Muzzgit [WA] replied:

Part of the reason fuel has gone up so much, apart from the wholesale price of a barrel going up, is the fuel suppliers themselves are adding on a little extra every month or so to cover the discounts they give you for shopping in their partner grocery stores.

It's called retailing!!!

Every cent of discount offered is already covered, usually by the consumer through inflated retail prices. Sometimes the manufacturer gives bulk sales discounts which the retailer will pass on, but rarely will the retailer give you anything out of his own pocket, unless it is to move old stock, which does not apply in this case.

THERE AINT NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.

The real culprit is the federal government who tax the bejeesus out of us for fuel and then slug us with 10% grab and snatch tax [GST] at the cash register.

They think we're silly.....hang on, THEY KNOW WE ARE

Today I put about $170.00 diesel into my patrol and the receipt showed me that I paid about $18.00 in GST! Yet I know and you know that there is already $60.00 or so in taxes on that fuel. [I'm guessing here, I don't know the actual figure, but it's close]

Yes we are being RIPPED OFF but you are pointing your arrows at the wrong people.

Without GST on fuel, diesel would be 15 cents a litre cheaper and my fuel bill today would have been around $154.00

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Member - Hugh (WA) replied:

Hi Andrew,

Appreciate the sentiments but do you think the average consumer can compete? For example, Rio Tinto alone in WA go through 1 million litres diesel per day. That's buying power.

Hugh

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Member - John (Vic) replied:

Already being done.
Four Wheel Drive Victoria has been in negotiations with BP to obtain a 10 cent per litre fuel discount for members of Victorian 4wd clubs for quite sometime now.
The negotiations also involve a further volume rebate that will be paid to the Association to assist with funding the professional operation of 4wd Vic.

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Member - DOZER replied:

Andrew
When Woolworths started doing the 4 cents off, that proportion of 70 cents per litre was about 6%...roughly thesame as 10c on $1.50....so if they were legit, they would be offering 10c all the time and 25 for special occasions.
The retail price of fuel is roughly 50% taxes, which probably puts a hole in my arguement on discount...
Try and get a discount when your filling up the mower can or boat tank....no road tax should be payable in that situation (remember the 3c x 3 years which bexame 4c x forever) nor should any digger have to pay road tax for fuel if it is not for driving on the road.
Rio would be using industrial diesel in their machines....road tax exempt...same as bluescope.
I think the time is fast approaching where we will have to sell our 4wd's and buy battery/solar powered ones, or we wont be able to afford the excise bill....
Andrew

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MEMBER - Darian (SA) replied:

Isn't the Woollies 10c per litre discount a one-off ? Just for signing up to that card game ? After that back to 4c ?

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MEMBER - Darian (SA) replied:

I should have said - it seems to me that diesel suppliers would sell 99% of their product to the corporate and government sectors, so all sorts of deals, discounts, rebates and tax claiming would apply - the bowser price would be academic to a lot of those users. For the little product they sell to us private users, the oil companies couldn't give a bugger what we think of the bowser price !

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Muddy doe (SA) replied:

Hi Andrew,

With Salary Sacrifice I am issued a Caltex card and a Shell card for purchasing fuel (and capturing odo readings). The price paid on these is the lower of the pump price OR the "daily metro list price" which is usually a few cents below the pump price.

This is really handy in regional areas as the pump price is usually a bit higher. I filled at Lyndhurst on a trip and by using the Shell card I paid nealy 20c/l less than the pump price as it does not seem to matter where you fill up - they always charge the metro list price.

Small businesses and individuals can apply for Shell/Caltex/BP cards. I don't know why more people don't - though a $2.00 monthly admin fee on a Shell card might make a dent in any savings for a lower volume user.

As to forming a buyers co-op, I can't imagine the amount of administration involved, firstly in the setup and negotiation with "Big Oil" and then in the ongoing admin of memberships and possibly issuing membership cards and vouchers or whatever claim mechanism hoops the oil companies might put on, would be worth the eventual discount.

In thinking of the actual servo purchase, would members be using some sort of rebate voucher or discount card? Would members perhaps send in receipts for claiming discounts which would be credited to an account? There are any number of methods of dealing with actually getting or claiming the discount but to make it worthwhile in a big enough group to get a decent negotiating position for any sort of discount then you are looking at a very substantial amount of work for somebody. Long term that would mean wage costs and admin costs.

The established 4wd associations may be the best (or only) groups even capable of dealing with the organisational and administrative requirements of a scheme like you suggest but it would be a long hard road to set it up and as people in the associations and their enthusiams change over time it may just end up another dud that ends up costing lots of time and money for little benefit while the oil companies just keep on charging and the government just keeps on charging more taxes and we just keep paying an paying and paying!

Not knocking you for putting it up there but I fear that it will be yet another Good Idea that falls apart at the execution stage.

Cheers
Muddy

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spudseamus replied:

im getting all the bits together and gona make my own!! ive had enough