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Towing in top gear
Submitted: Monday, Sep 01, 2003 at 13:45
The Moose
I have heard that towing in 5th gear is not recommended. No-one has yet been able to enlighten me as to the reasons apart from the fact that top gear can apparently become stuffed. If it is correct does it only apply to towing something weighing over a certain amount (relative to vehicle weight) or does it apply even when towing a light trailer? Should one stay out of top althogether or is it OK to select top when going down hill? Does it matter what type of towing hitch one has? If it is weight related does it also apply to driving without a trailer but with the vehicle fully loaded up for holidays? Does the type of vehicle matter (mine is 80 Series petrol)? Any information from informed readers would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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AnswerID: 29772 Submitted: Monday, Sep 01, 2003 at 13:54
Chris
replied: You should keeping out of top gear when going downhill with heavy loads so the trailer doesn't push to vehicle too fast as breaking heavily (especially when going downhill) can jack-knife you rig.
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FollowupID: 20895 Submitted: Monday, Sep 01, 2003 at 23:02
Martin posted:
Only if there's a fault with the trailer brakes! Been towing a 17 foot van for 25 years and I find downhills are an excellent time to take it easy and cruise in top gear!
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AnswerID: 29777 Submitted: Monday, Sep 01, 2003 at 14:41
Tony
replied: 5th gear is an overdrive gear and not as strong as 1 - 4, so as in most cases the box trailer to the tip is ok in 5th but your van/2 ton camper 4th is the go so as not to put undue wear on the 5th gear IMHO.
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AnswerID: 29782 Submitted: Monday, Sep 01, 2003 at 15:15
Member - DOZER
replied: Most mechanics will tell you to stay out of overdrive altogether. Some on this list use it when towing, but treat it with cotton wool, and change down at the slightest hill or head wind. There gearboxes are hanging together so far.
The problem is that earlier boxes were a 4 speed with a 5th tacked on the back and they failed prematurely. Todays boxes are designed better with 5th in the middle of the layshaft.
From a purely theoretical point of view, 4th gear is straight through the gearbox and minimal wear will occur, but 5th is using the layshaft and all the bearings on the mainshaft, layshaft and input shaft have maximum torque applied to them (@ approx 2000 rpm) so things start to heat up and if anything is going to kill the box it will be this type of condition.
Same goes for autos in o/d as the ratio is higher than a manuals.
Remember, to get x amount of torque to the rear wheels in 5th gear, 1.3 times x amount must be put in at the motor end of the box.
Andrewwheredayathinkwer mike?
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FollowupID: 20863 Submitted: Monday, Sep 01, 2003 at 16:36
Alan H posted:
I've used 5th in my Defender Td5 to tow a 1.5 tonne van and it goes really well. As long as the engine/gearbox isn't labouring, can't see as it'll do any damage.
Going along on the flat with barely any throttle on must be OK.
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AnswerID: 29800 Submitted: Monday, Sep 01, 2003 at 18:37
howesy
replied: Technological advancement is a funny thing. all the manufacturers want to improve what they offer but nine time out of ten they are just band aiding what they used the year before.
Most of the gearboxes were originally designed as four speed boxes and fifth gear has since been added with alterations in design and tooling but that does not change the fact that they were designed to run four gears. A lot of five gear boxes have the gear just , if you will , tacked on. The perfect example of this is the Hilux gearbox. You can tow as much as you like in fifth gear but when towing or at any other time for that matter fifth should be used as an overdrive gear in a no load situation, it is not meant to take huge torque loads, when you strike resistance such as inclines or strong winds use fourth and avoid a costly repair as it will last heaps longer.
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AnswerID: 29809 Submitted: Monday, Sep 01, 2003 at 19:54
David N.
replied: Have been towing in 5th gear for most of the klms on my GQ TD42. I think it's done more klms towing than not! Obviously, I change down when I get to a hill, but not prematurely...
I have towed at various times two boats (one about 1.4 tonnes and the other probably close to 3 tonnes) and a caravan (about 2 tonnes laden). I always use 5th gear and gearbox is as good as the day it was built... (1991) I have never had a problem and never get any metal on the magnet when I change the G'box oil.
But then Nissan TD 42 gearboxes are built like a brick ****house.
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AnswerID: 30157 Submitted: Thursday, Sep 04, 2003 at 22:25
Jol from Direct Four WD Awareness
replied:
Put a oil temp gague in the gear box, then you make up yr own mind. Do the same when comparing high and low range
Lets know, you will be surpised
Cheers Jol
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